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31 Aug 2012 15:01 #10872 by Bilal Hasan
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Sorry,
It seems that I am late to the party. I have not gone through all the post regarding the upcomming elections. My homework for the weekend.
I have been a member for a number of years. I own two (2) 928's. One is a 90S4 which I have owned since 1999 and is my daily driver. The other is a 91GT which I have owned for a couple of years and is currently a garage queen.
Just for the laymen, like me, on this web forum I just have a few questions that i need clarified:
1. How does this election thing really work?
2. Who is actually involved in making sure it is impartial and no hanky panky is done?
3. Who owns the website and its related functions?
4. Where are the bylaws published?
5. Why is this website so combursome to navigate for computer challenged people, like me?
Thanks for listening.

Bilal
1990928S4RED
1991928GTBLACK

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31 Aug 2012 16:16 #10873 by srshaw3
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Sorry,
It seems that I am late to the party. I have not gone through all the post regarding the upcomming elections. My homework for the weekend.
I have been a member for a number of years. I own two (2) 928's. One is a 90S4 which I have owned since 1999 and is my daily driver. The other is a 91GT which I have owned for a couple of years and is currently a garage queen.
Just for the laymen, like me, on this web forum I just have a few questions that i need clarified:
1. How does this election thing really work?
2. Who is actually involved in making sure it is impartial and no hanky panky is done?
3. Who owns the website and its related functions?
4. Where are the bylaws published?
5. Why is this website so combursome to navigate for computer challenged people, like me?
Thanks for listening.

Bilal
1990928S4RED
1991928GTBLACK


1. I am not sure what you want to know. The election is how the board is selected
2. The 928 OC board
3. The 928 Owners Club
4. 928oc.org/pdf/928OC_Bylaws_II.pdf (links can be found in the navigation and in this forum.
5. I don't know, four dropdown menu options on the home page, the same menu on all pages. I don't think it could be simpler.

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31 Aug 2012 18:19 #10875 by 928mac
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I will put some links here that you can click on and I hope they answer your questions.

forums.928oc.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1452
forums.928oc.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1424
forums.928oc.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1435
forums.928oc.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1441
928oc.org/pdf/928OC_Bylaws_II.pdf

here is a link of everyone that is involved except Malcolm has removed his name.
928oc.org/contact_information.htm

I hope this helps

Brad

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01 Sep 2012 08:24 #10885 by wallyp
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Bilal said,
"5. Why is this website so combursome to navigate for computer challenged people, like me?"

The primary reason for the complexity of the site is that there is so much here. It does take some time to fully explore the full contents, but I think that it is time well spent.

The site software, and the navigation, are the same as RennList, where I see you post now and then.

I do think that we may need to look at simplifying the arrangement a bit. In my shop, I use boxes on shelves for the major part of the storage. I have a rule - If I can't write a short label clearly defining what is inside a box, I need to change what is inside the box. If I violate this rule, I lose stuff...

I can see where it would be confusing to decide whether to post a comment in "Say Good Morning Here" or in "General Discussion", or perhaps even in "Technical Discussion".

Wally Plumley
928 Specialists
www.928gt.com

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01 Sep 2012 08:56 #10886 by 928mac
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Bilal said,
"5. Why is this website so combursome to navigate for computer challenged people, like me?"

The primary reason for the complexity of the site is that there is so much here. It does take some time to fully explore the full contents, but I think that it is time well spent.

The site software, and the navigation, are the same as RennList, where I see you post now and then.

I do think that we may need to look at simplifying the arrangement a bit. In my shop, I use boxes on shelves for the major part of the storage. I have a rule - If I can't write a short label clearly defining what is inside a box, I need to change what is inside the box. If I violate this rule, I lose stuff...

I can see where it would be confusing to decide whether to post a comment in "Say Good Morning Here" or in "General Discussion", or perhaps even in "Technical Discussion".


Wally we thank you so very much for your technical help and you are right about

I can see where it would be confusing to decide whether to post a comment in "Say Good Morning Here" or in "General Discussion", or perhaps even in "Technical Discussion".


some of this is my fault for not being more organized.
If you would like to send me an e-mail of a change that you think would help I will try to get to it and then when I get it done, send the second change that you think will work. Maybe we can get some things cleaned up and the links named properly.

You could even start a poll on an idea and see if the other members like it.
This is also what is cool about 928oc, you as a member have direct say as to what the forum looks like and how things are arranged.
I have tried my best but sometimes home life does not allow me the time to work on the site.
It can take hours.

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01 Sep 2012 21:56 #10898 by pcar928fan
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I can see where it would be confusing to decide whether to post a comment in "Say Good Morning Here" or in "General Discussion", or perhaps even in "Technical Discussion".


Yes, I always wonder about that too...

James
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02 Sep 2012 08:23 #10900 by srshaw3
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Yes, I always wonder about that too...


When the question was first posed to me, it was about the website, so that is how I responded. Now it seems the question is about the forums, so:

Vendor Offers to 928 OC Member - publicly viewable so non-members can be aware of vendor offers provided to members. I solicited all vendors at one time to submit their own post, only a few responded. The vendors can change their own topic at any time they choose. This is where a volunteer would be useful to continue to reach out to Vendors to get more offers posted.

Non-928 OC Member Forums:
Goodies Store - publicly viewable where anyone can purchase 928 OC logo'd items. Essentially it is all the mementos that members will receive during a renewals (the item depends on the year being renewed). We did allow posts of desired goodies to be listed. All posts are approved by a moderator.

Say Good Morning Here - publicly viewable and any registered user can post to. This was Brad's idea, originally it was a general discussion topic.

Classifieds - publicly viewable and any registered user can post to. Where 928 items for sale or wanted to buy can be listed.

Technical Tips - publicly viewable, only moderators can update. Tips that are proven and of possible interest to 928ers are included here.

928 OC Member only forums:
928 OC Roadside Assistance Forum - a structured moderated forum where 928 OC members can list information about how they might be able to help other 928 owners particularly if they are traveling and need assistance. The forum is structured so the location of assistance can be found quickly, and if on the road, you could either reference the forum or bring one of the helpers phone number with you, and they will search the forum for you, if you break done.

928 OC Technical Library - a structured moderated forum where technical documentation "how to" on the 928 will be found. The vision is that a member could quickly find documentation on performing service tasks on the 928. The structure was derived from Greg Nichol's site. This is an area where volunteer(s) are needed to further develop, in either creating topics which point to other sites where documentation is, or in obtaining agreement form documentation owners to restructure and include it in the Technical Library. For example Greg Nichol's has agreed to let his site information be copied, and restructured, into this forum. The vision is to provide 928 owners a single place to go where all documentation on the 928 is stored or accessible from.

928 OC Member Car Profiles - where each 928 OC member can create a topic about the 928(s), post photos, describe updates, etc.

928 OC Member - a forum where 928 OC members can discuss 928 OC business

928 OC General Discussion - a forum where 928 OC members can discuss non 928 OC business, perhaps event coordination, ideas about new 928 OC programs, helping other member, etc.

928 OC Technical Discussion - a forum where 928 OC members can ask for assistance about issues they have with the 928s.

928 OC Board Votes - where all 928 OC board voting is recorded. This goes back to the inception of the forum. I asked for volunteers to migrate the votes from the previous forum, but received no offers.

928 OC Board - where 928 OC board members can discuss 928 OC issues. Email is more often used.

Event Discussions - where events can be planned and promoted. The Calendar function in the top horizontal navigation bar is where events should be published as well with perhaps a link to the event discussion in this forum. Volunteer(s) are needed to engage event coordinators to participate in posting their events to both this forum and the Calendar.

What all these change to in the future is up to the next president and the volunteers available to help.... :D

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07 Sep 2012 19:39 #11095 by curtisr
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Owing to the number of posts to this web site--as it compares to say, Rennlist or Pelican, I would combine General Discussions and Technical Discussions. No such differentiation exists or is adhered to in the two aforementioned sites.

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07 Sep 2012 20:18 #11099 by srshaw3
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Owing to the number of posts to this web site--as it compares to say, Rennlist or Pelican, I would combine General Discussions and Technical Discussions. No such differentiation exists or is adhered to in the two aforementioned sites.


My purposes was not to replicate the same as what they do, but rather provide a different environment. I think there are some that are primarily interested in technical discussions, so this setup allows them to just view technical posts.

Of course the members can have whatever they want, the setup was initially just what I envisioned would work best.

From my personal perspective, I watch the technical forum closely, as I might be able to help someone who has a need, or direct them to where they can get help, or perhaps learn something new. The general discussion forum is where I look if I have more time.

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08 Sep 2012 07:30 #11104 by OBehave
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"Event Discussions - where events can be planned and promoted. The Calendar function in the top horizontal navigation bar is where events should be published as well with perhaps a link to the event discussion in this forum. Volunteer(s) are needed to engage event coordinators to participate in posting their events to both this forum and the Calendar."

So Stan, is this where I should have posted the track day event thread I started? If so I guess you will move it?

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08 Sep 2012 11:13 #11108 by srshaw3
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"Event Discussions - where events can be planned and promoted. The Calendar function in the top horizontal navigation bar is where events should be published as well with perhaps a link to the event discussion in this forum. Volunteer(s) are needed to engage event coordinators to participate in posting their events to both this forum and the Calendar."

So Stan, is this where I should have posted the track day event thread I started? If so I guess you will move it?


Yes, I would suggest organizing a track event would go in the event discussion forum. I, or one of the moderators could move it. If you can provide the link, that would help.

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08 Sep 2012 14:24 #11111 by OBehave

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08 Sep 2012 14:48 #11112 by srshaw3
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I have moved that thread to events

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09 Sep 2012 10:32 #11114 by wallyp
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Perhaps we should consider a controlled method of cross-posting.

For example - I primarily monitor the technical discussion, so I would not see a posting for an event in my area. If the event organizer makes a post in the technical discussion area, it will immediately get replies and discussion. This leads to dilution and mixing of the forums.

Perhaps instead, the event organizers/moderators should be encouraged to post a sticky, with no user comments or posts allowed, in each of the forums. This would provide a "news and announcements" section at the top of each of the forums, so that users can stay informed about what is going on in each of the forums.

Wally Plumley
928 Specialists
www.928gt.com

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10 Sep 2012 00:30 #11128 by srshaw3
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Perhaps we should consider a controlled method of cross-posting.

For example - I primarily monitor the technical discussion, so I would not see a posting for an event in my area. If the event organizer makes a post in the technical discussion area, it will immediately get replies and discussion. This leads to dilution and mixing of the forums.

Perhaps instead, the event organizers/moderators should be encouraged to post a sticky, with no user comments or posts allowed, in each of the forums. This would provide a "news and announcements" section at the top of each of the forums, so that users can stay informed about what is going on in each of the forums.


A great idea if the moderators are up to the workload. Thank you Wally.

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10 Sep 2012 16:43 #11173 by 928mac
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Perhaps we should consider a controlled method of cross-posting.

For example - I primarily monitor the technical discussion, so I would not see a posting for an event in my area. If the event organizer makes a post in the technical discussion area, it will immediately get replies and discussion. This leads to dilution and mixing of the forums.

Perhaps instead, the event organizers/moderators should be encouraged to post a sticky, with no user comments or posts allowed, in each of the forums. This would provide a "news and announcements" section at the top of each of the forums, so that users can stay informed about what is going on in each of the forums.



Wally, Stan,
Can you give an example as I am still not clear as to what the sticky should say. for example-[today in the tech section we are discussing why batterys drain, how to wire in your after market stereo, how to tune your ITB] something like this?

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10 Sep 2012 21:37 #11178 by wallyp
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The original idea was to allow cross-communication for folks who check only a limited number of the forums. For example, a person who only looked at the Technical Discussion might well never see the notifications and discussions about an event in his home town. If there was a sticky at the top where non-technical items of interest could be posted ("Dyno Day in North Atlanta", as a non-existent example for discussion). Then, anyone who came to the Technical Discussion forum would have a chance to see it.

I don't want to create a problem or a lot of work for the moderators, so it should be short and sweet. I don't think that any discussion or comments should be allowed in the notification thread - anyone who wants to comment or discuss should go to the appropriate forum and find the thread there.

There were numerous comments on the survey about the OC needing better communication - this is just a simple way to try to achieve that, without dumping a lot of work on anyone.

Make sense? Any comments?

Wally Plumley
928 Specialists
www.928gt.com

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10 Sep 2012 22:15 #11179 by 928mac
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The original idea was to allow cross-communication for folks who check only a limited number of the forums. For example, a person who only looked at the Technical Discussion might well never see the notifications and discussions about an event in his home town. If there was a sticky at the top where non-technical items of interest could be posted ("Dyno Day in North Atlanta", as a non-existent example for discussion). Then, anyone who came to the Technical Discussion forum would have a chance to see it.

I don't want to create a problem or a lot of work for the moderators, so it should be short and sweet. I don't think that any discussion or comments should be allowed in the notification thread - anyone who wants to comment or discuss should go to the appropriate forum and find the thread there.

There were numerous comments on the survey about the OC needing better communication - this is just a simple way to try to achieve that, without dumping a lot of work on anyone.

Make sense? Any comments?


Ok now I understand.
I would want to get the other mods input as we would both need to work together.
This may also be one of those items that the new prez and board could comment on and direct.

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