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28 May 2024 10:26 - 28 May 2024 15:16 #22660 by drkshrk86.5
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No power to fuel pump in start mode. fuse is good . Jumped the relay . not even getting power to fuel pump Pos. coming out of fuse box.
OK, I have power to fuel pump now. I have spark. I sprayed ether and it fires up. seems like no injector fire.
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28 May 2024 21:11 #22661 by JerseyPhoenician
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sounds like the LH is shot.

 

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29 May 2024 09:44 #22662 by drkshrk86.5
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I changed the LH and no difference

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29 May 2024 14:32 - 29 May 2024 14:58 #22663 by JerseyPhoenician
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i was suggesting the LH going bad  because my S4 had the same symptoms and i narrowed it down to the LH, same symptoms, good spark, noid light there, fires and runs for a few seconds on ether, but wouldnt fire with ignition turned on... 

The LH was swapped. still didnt fire up. I then pulled the injectors which were completely clogged, all 8 of them.
I replaced them and now it runs like a champ with a new LH and new injectors. 

Was your car sitting for a long time?

spark means good ezk. how about the LH relay? did you swap that?

Some folks have swapped with LH that were bad. are you sure the LH you swapped is working?

Did you check if youre getting fuel at the rail? either no fuel getting there (clogged filter at the back or clogged fuel rail) or the LH relay is bad. I see you installed new injectors in a previous thread. so that rules out the clogged injectors.

Try swapping the horn relay with the LH relay and see what happens? if that doesnt work, open the fuel rail and see if there is fuel there (dont loose the little ball at the end of the rail when you open it up).

Keep us posted.

Are you located on the east coast?

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29 May 2024 15:09 #22664 by drkshrk86.5
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I did a complete intake refresh. Injectors, vacuum, gaskets, fuel pump and filter, blew all lines out. When I turn key on it feels like all relays are working. I did swap the relays and no change.I took the intake runners back off again thinking maybe a broke wire. I did find the connector to the speed sensor basically fell apart and crumbled. I did have gas at the injectors and all that was cleaned and blown out.I'm going to order a new speed sensor and try that.Thank you for your reply.

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29 May 2024 15:12 #22665 by drkshrk86.5
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I live in Wisconsin

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29 May 2024 17:24 - 29 May 2024 17:33 #22666 by JerseyPhoenician
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forgot to mention the crank position sensor CPS. mine was crumbled and i replaced it. it was a B*%tch to pull it out.

does your Tach bounce when you crank?

The CPS sends a signal to the LH after it detects the engine turning, which in turn fires up the injectors.

If your tach doesnt bounce/move as you crank the engone, then thats where your problem is. if the Tach doesnt move, then your CPS sensor is dead, hence no signal to the LH.

Good luck and let us know how it works out.

Sam
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30 May 2024 09:32 #22667 by drkshrk86.5
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Waiting for parts now but I'll let you know. Fingers crossed.

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04 Jun 2024 12:34 #22671 by Rich928
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Note, the horn relay is the same part 141.951.253B as used for the LH, EZF and fuel pump relays.

Have you checked the LH Relay XXV, put a jumper between 30 and 87 to see if it will start.  

The fuel pump relay in 1985 - 1986 928s energizes the fuel injectors.  It is turned on by the LH fuel injection module (ground to relay) only when the engine is cranking for start or running.  Double check that this relay is functioning.

The LH fuel injection module requires an RPM signal from the EZF spark module.  Check the circuit between LH connector pin 1 and EZF connector pin 16, if it is an open or shorted to ground circuit repair the circuit.  This same circuit provides the RPM signal to the tachometer, so if it has failed with a short to ground that can cause a no-start condition.

 

If you continue to see no fuel injection pulse, the LH fuel injection module may have failed.  I can test it for you.

 

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04 Jun 2024 14:53 #22673 by drkshrk86.5
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Ok , I'll let you know. I think it is the flywheel sensor because it crumbled in my hand at the plug.

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04 Jun 2024 15:04 #22674 by Rich928
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It is a good idea to replace the flywheel sensor due to age.  However, if you have spark and the engine will run with spray then the RPM sensor is working.

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24 Jun 2024 08:21 #22692 by drkshrk86.5
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Hello again Rich928. I finally got the flywheel sensor out and yes it was a TOTAL B%&$. When you say check #1 and #16 am i checking voltage? Do I have key on for this?
 I have to put intake runners back on should have done this week. I also have a new temp 2 sensor.

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24 Jun 2024 10:05 #22693 by Rich928
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What I mean is check the continuity of the circuit between LH connector pin 1 and EZF connector pin 16.  The fuel injection cannot start working unless the RPM signal produced by the EZF reaches the LH fuel injection module.  A bad connection or open/short circuit will cause a not start.  The tachometer also uses the EZF RPM signal.  A failed tachometer can ground out this signal.

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05 Aug 2024 10:01 - 05 Aug 2024 12:19 #22717 by drkshrk86.5
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Hello Rich. I finally got the engine all buttoned up. I have tach bounce when turning over, I have fuel, It will run on ether still, All the relays for fuel pump ezk and lh are clicking but still have no injector fire. You said you could check the LH for me. I guess I don't no what to do other than that at this point. I did put chips in it from 928 international years ago and it always ran good. Can you let me know how to get the LH to you. Barry. Thanks Much..
 
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