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27 Aug 2012 11:35 #10654 by OBehave
I am getting tired of going to track day DE's and being the only 928 out there whipping the butts of these tail draggers and the like. I would like to organize a gathering of 928's that would be held at a race track or closed course of some kind for laps or autocross type of senario. It could include tech sessions and dyno pulls, food etc. like other events but with people enjoying their cars as they were ment to be enjoyed. The problem is I am not a very good organizer or promoter. I put on a small gathering 2 years ago along with David LLoyd which was a blast that started as a drive through local nieborhoods and ended at my shop for food and car talk and even repairing a 928 track car that sprung a leak. It was alot of work and time to put together.
This is where I need help,I need someone or some people who have this type of experience putting events together and the like to guide me into making this happen. Whether it is with contacts or step by step instructions etc. I guess the first step would be to find out interest in participation and where the centralized location could possibly be held and then try to procure that venue?
Please someone with more knowledge chim in, I am willing to do the work necessary but just not sure how to proceed.
Any takers?

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27 Aug 2012 15:22 #10667 by srshaw3
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Ed,

I have never run one, but I think trying to get the track to ourselves would be very expensive, not to mention you would want liability insurance, and I suspect the number of qualified instructors in the 928 community may be too few.

I would suggest, as we have discussed in the past, getting people to agree to go on a track day with a club that was receptive to the idea. Watkins Glen would be a good candidate in the northeast, as it is 928 friendly. Perhaps Summit Point or VIR in the mid central area.

If you put my car together, I will do it all for you :)

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27 Aug 2012 17:54 #10676 by OBehave
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Be very careful on the offers you make Stan. For me to assemble your car would be a walk in the park compared to putting an event on like what I am trying to get across.
I agree we would need to organize with an established entity such as a PCA region track day or the like and instructors in just our little organization I am sure are few, but I am hopeful that there are people out there with the right connections or names of the right connections that we could proposition to help us put something like this together. I would also like to some how get the likes of Mark Anderson,Mark Kibort Carl Fausett etc to attend. I'm sure that would also help to draw attendees which could also help fund the event.
Also, I am not suggesting the OC pay for it! Sponsorship help yes because this is also to promote membership but the attendees and various vender sponsorship must foot the bill. Heck maybe even make it a yearly pilgramige of our own every year!

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27 Aug 2012 18:05 #10677 by srshaw3
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Be very careful on the offers you make Stan. For me to assemble your car would be a walk in the park compared to putting an event on like what I am trying to get across.
I agree we would need to organize with an established entity such as a PCA region track day or the like and instructors in just our little organization I am sure are few, but I am hopeful that there are people out there with the right connections or names of the right connections that we could proposition to help us put something like this together. I would also like to some how get the likes of Mark Anderson,Mark Kibort Carl Fausett etc to attend. I'm sure that would also help to draw attendees which could also help fund the event.
Also, I am not suggesting the OC pay for it! Sponsorship help yes because this is also to promote membership but the attendees and various vender sponsorship must foot the bill. Heck maybe even make it a yearly pilgramige of our own every year!


I don't think you recall how many parts my car is in, and how far it has to go...

You would probably need to get the event farther west to get those gentlemen racers to attend. There was two Road America meetups by 928 racers (I did not make them) and many stories as a results.

There might need to be something of significance to entice them all, although that wasn't the case last time. I think Mark Anderson, Joe Fan, Don Hanson, David Lloyd and John Veninger were there at one time. I think Mark Kibort made it the second year. Jean-Louis Piquet was there at least one year as well. I don't know that Carl was racing at that point: forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/928-forum...at-road-america.html

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27 Aug 2012 18:50 #10679 by OBehave
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I agree it would have to be more centralized to get them here or just such an awesome event that they would want to go no matter where it was.
I'm thinking that we would have to find a PCA region or the like that has trouble finding participants to fill out their DE days and buy out one of their days or at least a bunch of their slots that we could fill with committed OC members and try to build around that day or days with other activities and tech stuff.
Who is the person or what is the position in the region that is responsible for organizing track days? Maybe James Morrison could shed some light on this part of the process as he heads his region?
By the way, If I assemble your race car, can I drive it?:D

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27 Aug 2012 19:25 #10682 by srshaw3
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I agree it would have to be more centralized to get them here or just such an awesome event that they would want to go no matter where it was.
I'm thinking that we would have to find a PCA region or the like that has trouble finding participants to fill out their DE days and buy out one of their days or at least a bunch of their slots that we could fill with committed OC members and try to build around that day or days with other activities and tech stuff.
Who is the person or what is the position in the region that is responsible for organizing track days? Maybe James Morrison could shed some light on this part of the process as he heads his region?
By the way, If I assemble your race car, can I drive it?:D


PCA regions have "Track Chairs" but you might just want to talk to the Driver Education (DE) registrar of the region. I expect the registrar of your home region would know the registrar of other regions. If you identify the track you want to use, I will identify the person to coordinate with at least. Locally I know HCP and HVR are usually looking for more attendees, so if it were just a local WG event they would be good candidates. David Lloyd had an unofficial 928 track day at WG with CVR and I think we had @12 show up, but most were nearly stock.

If you assemble it, you would have to test drive it :D

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27 Aug 2012 19:48 #10683 by OBehave
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I don't care if they are stock cars or full blown out race cars. As long as they are 928's it's all good. Also I think it would be great for owners to get to know the more sporty side of their 928. Just ask my wife, one track day and now I'm shopping for a 2 car trailer!:eek:
I will e-mail Lou Dauer at HVRPCA as he is our registrar but is stepping down this year but we will see if he can help.
what about Curt Hinchcliff I believe he is registrar for Niagra Region and a member here no? HEY CURT you out there?

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27 Aug 2012 20:19 #10684 by pcar928fan
We (the Austin 928 gang...LONG before there was a 928OC) piggy backed on a PCA DE event and had a GREAT time. Not everyone was doing the DE (though several were) and the others, along with the DE'ers did a few parade laps during lunch as well as an on-track static photo op!

I would highly recommend doing it that way.

The '04 OCIC had a track day at Hallett associated with it and that was Marc White's doing. He might have some ideas on how to organize that and a rough cost estimate.

If you want to do Auto-X you might have an SCCA group in the area that you can work with...

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head... Hope that helps a bit anyway!

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27 Aug 2012 22:06 #10700 by wallyp
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The "Walter Mitty" at Road Atlanta might be an ideal candidate for a "shared" 928 event. Back in the day, for a very reasonable fee, you could run any safe street car at speed on the track. No passing except when you were clearly waved by on the straight, but you could let it hang out! I had a blast in a Jaguar XJ6...

I will try to see if that kind of thing is still possible. There may be similar events in other parts of the country.

classicmotorsports.net/events/Mitty12/

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28 Aug 2012 16:42 #10731 by OBehave
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So if piggy backed with a PCA region, how would it be structured or how would we merge it, would we have to buy a certain number of slots or maybe split the day with standard run groups or put all the 928's in one one group?
I would guess we would have to put some kind of feeler out there to see who in what areas would be willing to travel how far to attend which kind of event. My head is spinning already!
Which do you put first, finding the area, the venue or the participants?
Where's Marc White???

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28 Aug 2012 17:07 #10732 by wallyp
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Marc is out of town for a couple of weeks.

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28 Aug 2012 17:47 #10734 by srshaw3
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Marc is out of town for a couple of weeks.


He has been available a bit, but his extra time is been taken up by 928 OC board considerations as of recently.

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28 Aug 2012 17:49 #10735 by srshaw3
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So if piggy backed with a PCA region, how would it be structured or how would we merge it, would we have to buy a certain number of slots or maybe split the day with standard run groups or put all the 928's in one one group?


I doubt any region is going to let you buy a certain number of slots unless it includes the consideration that the drivers must be qualified. So unless you buy out all the rookie level slots, they are going to want to approve where people run. Some regions are very restrictive on whom they let in what run group. For example, while I instruct, if I go to another track, the local chapter might not allow me to instruct since they don't know me, and I don't know the track.

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28 Aug 2012 20:39 #10740 by pcar928fan
Stan is correct. Kind of the way you would want to handle it is to just let all the 928 track/DE guys know that you have targeted a particular event as a 928 GTG at the track... Those who want to DE would need to sign up as per normal with that PCA region (they might want to join the PCA as consideration is given to Region members, then PCA members, and then public at large) and let the PCA DE folks figure out where everyone "goes" so to speak. Then you would probably want to just have a designated area at the track for all the 928's to park and then at lunch maybe get special consideration from the PCA region for pics (on track) and maybe some parade laps (not all 928ers in attendance will probably want to drive the DE). Have lunch together as a group and enjoy the day/weekend.

Once you get a handle on how many might be there it would be good to alert the organizers just to let them know and get them thinking about a parking area and the thought about pics/parade laps...

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02 Sep 2012 14:56 #10905 by mm928
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The Potomac Region frequents Summit Point in W Va. Shenandoah (where I am) as well as 1st Settlers, uses VIR often. There is also a track in PA near Pittsburgh (Beaver Run I think) that has been the scene of some Porsche PCA events as well. Unfortunately the NEast is a little too far for me. I joined the PCA so I could basically attend any regions events I want.
Luckily the Annual Shark Frenzy happens in No. Va. and I go to N.C. to visit relatives where SITM is. So far it is working out ok this way. But I agree that it would be great to have a 928 centric (or at least a 8-10 maybe) Sharks at a DE/track day. I am hoping to fit one in at VIR (I love that place) in October, but if not for sure next year.

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03 Sep 2012 11:55 #10911 by Pool Shark
Hey Stan , James, Ed and Michael,

Here is my take on this enormously interesting idea.

I am a 5 year member of PCA Potomac..3 years at 928 OC
organizer of the famous 'Sharks in the Suburbs' this year....tic
Frenzy 16 comittee member...

I spent all of 2010 tracking a 1991 964 C2 at DE's at Summit Point and VIR
That was then...this is now...have been working on a '88 S4 5 speed so we
can continue track days with a 928 in this region...long project...

My proposal is this: SCCA has DE events they call PDX, either one or two days at a track combined with their time trials...you sign up and join SCCA for the event and an instructor is included. The event is run by SCCA and is basically an event open to all...there was a Dodge Neon at one event in 2010.
I signed up just to get some track time at my home track...alot less pressure about the whole Porsche thing at this type of event...those air cooled types are quite vocal about anything water cooled and front engine...that could come later....

My plan was to get the car ready and shake it out at an SCCA PDX event at least twice or two days before I got some GT3 Black/ Red group instructor giving me shit about 928's....Yes, this is what happens....Tech Inspector once told me he would rather have a Mustang.....!

Summit Point is fairly well central to the entire region 15 miles from I-81, 70 miles from DC, 2 hours from Pittsburgh, and it is not a professional track, like VIR, Mid Ohio,...much less formal and very well managed by a company that does combat driver instruction for the FBI, CIA, State, etc...... www.summitpointraceway.com

Prolly not this year, but next year, a group of 928 guys could sign up for a PDX at the earliest possible moment when registration opens and fill up the instructed groups right away with 928's.

We could have access to the main track at SP and be able to run with each other for 4 sessions per day at about 20 min each...makes for about 4 hours of track time in two days.

Cost is around 300+ for the two day event plus event insurance..about 150
Best Western in Winchester is $65 per night about 25 min away....
Tech inspection for SCCA can be done by lots of authorized shops within 2 weeks of the event. SCCA website has all the info. www.scca.com
So we are talking $500.00 for the weekend each to get 10-15 928's up on a track together for a weekend.

Later on we can do a PCA DE en masse and mess with some Boxsters :D:D:D

I will be happy to begin to set this up for next spring.

Let me know,
Cheers, Kevin.....everyone signed up for Frenzy 16 Oct 5-6...? www.frenzy.org

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03 Sep 2012 15:01 #10914 by pcar928fan

I got some GT3 Black/ Red group instructor giving me shit about 928's....Yes, this is what happens....Tech Inspector once told me he would rather have a Mustang.....!


That is UNREAL! What a bunch of idiots! We have never had crap like that at our DE and PCA stuff down here in Central TX! UGH!

Love the event idea and look forward to reading more about it!

James
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04 Sep 2012 11:10 #10930 by OBehave
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Kevin, Thanks for your enthusiasm about this topic! And i welcome any help in putting something like this together. How about being able to coordinate this type of event with Frenzy or SITM etc. as 928 people are already cheduling time off to make these types of events and it would guarantee a large 928 turn out!
I can see that this is going to take alot or coordination with alot of different organizations and people to pull it off, but I think it is very much worth it and will be a HUGE plus for the 928 itself and the club once owners get a taste of what these cars can really do even if they only come to watch!

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05 Sep 2012 11:08 #10965 by Pool Shark
I have been doing some further checking and found that altho it is too late this year to figure some type of track event involving Frenzy this year,
there are events and programs at Summit point that allow a group to come out and use the track on a Friday with instructors for the day..

FATT....Friday at the Track is an event that the Mgmt of Summit Point holds about 8 times a year..unfortunately, the closest one to Frenzy this year is a week later...the BMW Club of Wash has got the track locked up for the Frenzy weekend and the week before that is PCA Club Races.

This would be a HUGE component of next years Frenzy possibly.......

Have a track day on Friday, 50 miles back to the hotel and Frenzy on Saturday.......

I would also think that guys could come down for FATT anytime during the season if it was set up in advance...that is something I would be able to plan

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05 Sep 2012 22:28 #11012 by pcar928fan
That is what Marc White set up for the '04 OCIC and it ROCKED!!! Though the track was further from Wichita than what you are talking about.

James
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06 Sep 2012 23:28 #11068 by the flying scotsman
I am president of the racing club, know the track owner very well and hold a professional race licence to teach folks.

Theres only one catch........its all in Calgary :) (see avatar)

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07 Sep 2012 14:43 #11085 by OBehave
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I am president of the racing club, know the track owner very well and hold a professional race licence to teach folks.

Theres only one catch........its all in Calgary :) (see avatar)


Nothing says we can't have regional track day events for the 928. I knew somewhere in this club there was going to be someone who could facilitate this.
Malcom, what do you think it would take, at least in your situation, to be able to put something like this together and make it 928 focused?

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07 Sep 2012 14:49 #11086 by OBehave
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I have been doing some further checking and found that altho it is too late this year to figure some type of track event involving Frenzy this year,
there are events and programs at Summit point that allow a group to come out and use the track on a Friday with instructors for the day..

FATT....Friday at the Track is an event that the Mgmt of Summit Point holds about 8 times a year..unfortunately, the closest one to Frenzy this year is a week later...the BMW Club of Wash has got the track locked up for the Frenzy weekend and the week before that is PCA Club Races.

This would be a HUGE component of next years Frenzy possibly.......

Have a track day on Friday, 50 miles back to the hotel and Frenzy on Saturday.......

I would also think that guys could come down for FATT anytime during the season if it was set up in advance...that is something I would be able to plan


Kevin, I think this could really be something to consider as I enjoyed Frenzy as well and to be able to tie it up with a legal,highspeed drive,IMHO would make it one that's hard to beat. I won't be there this year but maybe if you are you could put out a little poll of the participants and the organizers and get a feel of interest.

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08 Sep 2012 12:17 #11109 by Pool Shark
Hey Ed,

Shame you guys cannot make it this year for Frenzy

Thanks for the encouragement about a track oriented event
for our 928 crew...I think this could be a Monster
Fun type of event and your idea of a Poll is just the method
to generate interest....

James, thanks for your reply....gonna start looking into more
aspects of the whole 928/sunroof/helmet thing
Also going to step into my 79 with my helmet to really
see the difference tween the 88 and 79, nonsunroof
The required helmet is a SA 2005-2010..gotta have fire
protection to qualify for track at least around here
I guess that is one reason they are so tall inside

I will keep in touch....Cheers, Kevin in VA

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04 Oct 2012 12:22 #11646 by hinchcliffe
Hey sorry it took me so long to get here. Best bet is to pick a date and track then get 928'ers out together and join in. kind of like what we are doing at our event next week. (5) 928's will be there to help each other. Watkins glen is ~$16,000 to rent for two days, and we spend near ~$1000 to insure us fo rthe event. Then T-Shirts, registration fees, paperwork and all the rest cost a few grand in them selves. But I'm guessing ~$20k would be the price of the average event we do. Split that to 100 or so people and there you go.

The money we make at our events goes back to pay for internal regional social events like breakfast drives, club meetings with meals, etc.....

I'd be glad to help, but I'm guessing, like i said before, its a lot easier to get everyone here to register together for an event. I've been to enough DE's as the only 928 but oh well I've always been a bit of an individualist anyway.

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05 Oct 2012 00:57 #11659 by pcar928fan
Curt,

That is the same for us here in HCR PCA... We do our events at Texas Wold Speedway and we have LOST money several times, but normally make a little bit to keep things running in the club.

James
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05 Oct 2012 07:27 #11660 by OBehave
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Thanks for the numbers Curt. It really puts things in perspective. I was talking to my regions registrar at the annual picnic 2 weeks ago and he brought up some good points. I think to get the ball rolling, we should start by posting up a poll of people who whould be interested in attending a trackside event and people who would actually want to get on track. Then find a common track that would be suitable for those to attend within reason, Then try to coordinate all interested parties to register for an existing event as early as possible to guarantee acceptance......

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05 Oct 2012 09:09 #11662 by hinchcliffe
Sounds like a plan to me. Our track events are Memorial Day and the Tuesday after and then in early October. We also have a Solo only in June. I'll give real dates when we get the contracts.

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