I need everyone I've helped to help

DR928;10804 wrote: Stan,

You can continue twisting and spinning my words all you like. I never said anything about you being dishonest, I said someone with the absolute control of the process should be UNBIASED, doing less creates doubts in people's minds that maybe don't know you, and you should know better.

Really, you think after your implication that I control the elections so shouldn't post my view, is going to be perceived by anyone that you are not questioning my honesty?

If you wanted someone else to run the election, you could have offered, in *any* of the last 9 years.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net;10803 wrote: Dave, the value in business the 928 OC has brought me, approaches zero. Do you really think I put in many hours each week for that reward? I would be much smarter to be like you, sponsor an event here and there, and sell all sorts of 928 merchandise.

Prove it, take all of the Excell.net propaganda off of anything related to the 928OC, the website pages, your username, your signature and anywhere else..I never used the 928OC to advertise my company, it was the opposite, I used my company to advertise and promote the 928OC.

In case you have forgotten, I resigned as an 928OC Officer and webmaster just so ONE additional 928 Vendor would pledge their support to the 928OC. I did that FOR the 928OC, not for me, or my company.

As you should know, the 928OC was to never have outside advertising on the website, much less every page....and BTW aren't you being paid for 928OC hosting service? Yes of course you should be, but get paid and plaster your company everywhere? Again, not appropriate.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net;10806 wrote: If you wanted someone else to run the election, you could have offered, in *any* of the last 9 years.

Here we go with the pity party again...show me where you ASKED for help. As with anything in life people don't always know you need help until you ask. Yes, I agree you shouldn't need to, but someone as smart as you should know you need to ask if you need help.

You should have a Forum area just so Officials could post about things they need help with instead of whing about no help all the time.

Oh wait, you have been busy putting that 1 Tool loaner program together the last 9 years that you are so proud of..LOL

Yes, I know a second tool was added yesterday. 2 Tools costing less than a few hundred a piece..but by golly we bought 10s of thousands of dollars of gifts to give members, more money spend on "Member Bribes" than Event Sponsorship, very nice programs you have championed!

Wonder how the 928 owners are using the "Tire Clocks, key chains, Valve stem caps, bags, and other crap" to further and enhance 928 Ownership.

Yes I love what you have done with the place in the last 9 years, congrats!!

Dave, I disagree that Brad isn't a fit moderator. The AO nomination thread was reopened and I think that shows a great amount of objectivity on Brad's part.

At what point can you and Stan, and others, simply agree to disagree. You and Stan, and others, make valid points that I DO FEEL should be heard. I see no crime in Stan campaigning for James not do I see any crime in anyone in any leadership role with the OC having an opinion; whether it's received as positive or otherwise. In my position, it is simply important to preserve that each member gets an equal voice. IMO we have been consistent on this beginning from the time we decided to allow these political discussions to begin with.

Read over AO's nomination thread again. Asking Stan to stay silent about Andrew's campaign points seems absurd as both Stan and his accomplishments were put in question right from the beginning.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net;10806 wrote: Really, you think after your implication that I control the elections so shouldn't post my view, is going to be perceived by anyone that you are not questioning my honesty?

Stan,

Getting back to trying to be more serious (my last post, was well..OK, emotional and made out of frustration, and not productive, sorry)..and in answering your question.

What I have been attempting (obviously poorly) to get you to understand is that you making the posts on RL that started all of this recent "stuff"...has validated and increased the rumblings I have been getting since the last time Andrew ran against you that lots of people do feel that way.

This is nothing new and me making the comments only lately about the perception of the possibility of potential of "abuse of power" was trying to get you to wake up and realize it is an issue.. in hopes you would be more biased and reduce that perception from others, and especially from people who do not know you.

But yes, many people are obviously thinking it, I have heard directly from some saying it and heard of others saying it way before this election cycle..IN EVERY INSTANCE OF THIS, I had said "Yes, I can understand why you could question this, BUT I assure you Stan is not going to be dishonest about 928OC election results" I ALWAYS defended your honor.

I am sure once again I am not saying this the right way, and hopefully you won't take it the wrong way. It is not meant or ever meant to question your honesty, ever.....it was only meant for you to realize that it puts you in a position for others to do so and also reflect upon the 928OC and yes even on your candidate...which is the worst travesty of all...James deserves better.

To speak to your other comment about you campaigning for James, and that other Presidents (meaning real Goverment) can campaign for who they want in office. Yes, absolutely..but they aren't in charge of and in control of nominating all the candidates, and counting all the votes...that is a big difference...and because you did choose to take on those responsibilities (no matter for lack of help or not)....you need and should to hold yourself to a higher standard...it is really as simple as that.

Sincerely,

DR928;10808 wrote: Here we go with the pity party again...show me where you ASKED for help. As with anything in life people don't always know you need help until you ask. Yes, I agree you shouldn't need to, but someone as smart as you should know you need to ask if you need help.

You should have a Forum area just so Officials could post about things they need help with instead of whing about no help all the time.

Oh wait, you have been busy putting that 1 Tool loaner program together the last 9 years that you are so proud of..LOL

Yes, I know a second tool was added yesterday. 2 Tools costing less than a few hundred a piece..but by golly we bought 10s of thousands of dollars of gifts to give members, more money spend on "Member Bribes" than Event Sponsorship, very nice programs you have championed!

Wonder how the 928 owners are using the "Tire Clocks, key chains, Valve stem caps, bags, and other crap" to further and enhance 928 Ownership.

Yes I love what you have done with the place in the last 9 years, congrats!!

Is this post really indicative of where you want to take this conversation, Dave? Maybe we can, at some point, get back to business here. There is an election going on that we all care very much about, obviously. If everyone is still on board to let the debating continue, let's at least stay on point. Many members enjoy their merchandise as do I. My 928 flashlight stays in the glovebox. I love it.

If there were never issues with Excell, OC merchandise, or the tool program before then there shouldn't be now.